In this episode of The Orita Podcast, Aaron Schwartz sits down with Chris Wichert, Founder at Commerce Catalyst. Chris spent ten years building Koio and came away convinced that focus, cash discipline, and the things that do not scale matter more than ever.

• Koio visited more than 30 Italian factories before finding a family workshop producing for Chanel, then learned that extreme product quality mattered less to customers than expected.

• Expanding too quickly across footwear, retail, and new categories tied up cash and diluted the premium dress-sneaker positioning.

• Chris argues today’s consumer brands should build smaller, profitable businesses that compound over time and review cash flow alongside the P&L every week.

• Koio built loyalty through offline events, collaborations, handwritten notes, and other deliberately unscalable customer experiences.

• Founders should decide early whether they are building a unicorn, lifestyle business, or acquisition target—and choose capital that matches that goal.

• AI can automate 60–70% of customer-service responses, but Chris says culture and experimentation matter more than replacing every partner with custom AI.

👥 Meet the guest

Chris Wichert, Founder, Commerce Catalyst

🎙 Hosted by

Aaron Schwartz, Co-Founder and Co-CEO at Orita.ai

🎧 Chapters

[00:00:00] How to Pronounce Wichert

[00:02:37] Building Luxury for Millennials

[00:04:42] Thirty Factories to One Partner

[00:05:59] When Product Quality Goes Too Far

[00:08:38] Expansion Diluted the Brand

[00:14:03] Cash Creates Founder Optionality

[00:16:54] Loyalty Through Things That Don’t Scale

[00:22:31] The Hidden Weight of Operating

[00:27:29] Why Unscalable Work Matters More

[00:30:12] Build With the Exit in Mind

[00:33:06] Why Venture Capital Conflicted With Luxury

[00:38:23] Turning Operator Experience Into Consulting

[00:42:22] Hard Decisions Founders Postpone

[00:47:25] Where AI Actually Helps Brands

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